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...consider becoming a Christian?

A very valid question indeed.  Why?  I thought I already was a Christian.  I'm not perfect, and I have a bit of a very foul mouth, and I tend to fall into the GIFT pattern of behavior, being needlessly bitter and angry about certain issues, but I do my best to follow Christ......

I normally don't talk about my Mormonism all that much, as I normally defend mainstream Christianity.  While I may not agree with most denominations on everything, there are many things in common we have.  Like for instance, our acceptance of our Lord and Savior, and oftentimes morals that have often been scoffed at in an increasingly godless world.  But sometimes, some don't realize that we are Christians as well, preferring to think of us as heretics.  Harsh feelings between denominations is nothing new.  Contention between sects is what prompted Joseph Smith to pray about which one was the correct sect in the first place.  What I say in the following doesn't represent Mormon beliefs perfectly, but I'll do my best.

1.  What's wrong with extra-biblical sources, when it points to Christ?  Most copies of the Book of Mormon are subtitled with the phrase, "Another Testament of Jesus Christ."  Why shouldn't people, such as Latter Day Saints, welcome another book that testifies of Christ?.  The page sites 2 Timothy 3:16, which states that the Holy Scriptures are sufficient for teaching a good Christian.  You will never meet a Mormon who doesn't agree with this.  The next scripture is Revelations 22:18-19, which condemns anyone who "adds to this book".  What many don't realize is the fact that the scriptures weren't compiled into a single book at the time.  So in other words, it was referring specifically to the book of Revelations, not the Bible itself.  2 Nephi 29:3-13 also mentions the irony of not wanting another book of Christ.…

2.  The idea that we believe in a "Lesser God" isn't based on official doctrine.  Some Mormons may wonder if God had obtained Godhood the same way we have to, but this isn't official doctrine.  We don't pretend to know everything about God, and I'm certain Christians don't know everything there is to know about God either.  This point is tied to the next one, so I will address more about this.

3.  This point relies on purely emotional reasoning.  We don't deny the sinful nature of man, nor do we worship any other god but God.  Nor do we believe in the possibility of Godhood out of a desire to usurp God's power.  In fact, we believe that Lucifer tried to obtain Godhood by forcefully taking it.  Whereas we believe that the way to exaltation is obedience to God's commandments.  There's a very clear difference, and we don't believe in a lesser God because of it.  Is there anything wrong with believing in our eternal potential, as long as we are aware of the Christian idea of sinful nature, something that only the blood of Jesus could redeem?  We're not secular humanists, who mistakenly disregard the notion of sinful nature.  I think that Mormons and Christians can both agree that God is greater than we can imagine.  Psalms 82:6 and John 10:34 even contain the line "Ye are Gods."  Was Jesus being blasphemous when he said that?

4.  Both Mormons and mainstream Christians have the tendency to misunderstand the concept of grace.  Do you need works?  Or is grace enough?  Mormons have often stated "Faith without works is dead".  To a degree, it's true.  Is merely confessing to a pastor good enough?  Or does there also have to be some work done to repair the damage, or in the very least, to live a better life afterward?  The best way to show your faith is through works.  That doesn't mean that we aren't saved by grace.  Did Jesus pay our debt just enough so that we could pay the rest?  No, He paid in full.  It's like a parent who pays for their kid's piano lessons.  Could the kid pay for what their parents did by practicing the piano?  No, but it is a way to take full advantage of the opportunity they have been given to learn, grow, and become a musician.  We aren't EARNING heaven or exaltation.  We are practicing and learning the things we need to do in order to receive exaltation.  We believe the purpose of life is to learn and to grow spiritually and mentally.  CS Lewis even said,

"Imagine yourself as a living house. God comes in to rebuild that house. At first, perhaps, you can understand what He is doing. He is getting the drains right and stopping the leaks in the roof and so on; you knew that those jobs needed doing and so you are not surprised. But presently He starts knocking the house about in a way that hurts abominably and does not seem to make any sense. What on earth is He up to? The explanation is that He is building quite a different house from the one you thought of - throwing out a new wing here, putting on an extra floor there, running up towers, making courtyards. You thought you were being made into a decent little cottage: but He is building a palace. He intends to come and live in it Himself."

What does it profit him, when a man claims to accept Christ into his life, and yet doesn't show his acceptance of Christ through his works?  What good does it do when it doesn't turn a man into a better person?  I'm convinced that those who are unrepentant, whose behaviors were not CHANGED by the blood of the Lamb, won't want exaltation or even heaven.  It won't be the unrepentant begging God for a second chance at the judgement seat.  They will likely demand to be removed from God's presence.  They rejected Christ before, and they will do so again at the final judgement.

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So, the ultimate difference between Mormonism and Christianity is that Christianity declares a God who is eternally self-existent, who set a perfect and holy standard that we cannot live up to, and who then, out of His great love for us, paid the price for our sin by sending His Son to die on the cross for us.

Those aren't differences.  Those are similarities.  We don't know exactly where God came from, and we don't pretend to know everything there is to know about God, and yet we choose to worship Him and Him alone.  We also believe that God has set up a perfect and holy standard that we cannot live up to, and that we have been shown mercy by having the price paid for us by His son dying on the cross.  I also love how they conveniently left out what they think Mormons believe that contradict those three things

We are the Church of JESUS CHRIST of Latter Day Saints.  We believe in Christ, we accept Him as our Lord and Savior.  Who are other Christians to tell us that we haven't accepted Christ?
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MYTHICSONOFGOD Featured By Owner Apr 4, 2014  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
We are not gods we are servants of GOD. wanting to be like GOD was satan's sins.  That's the downfall of mromonism imo it's all about you and your god comples or dreams of "godhood".

What Jesus preached is all about him and love and redemption.

I won't change your mind. I am just stating why I won't share yours.

Ephesians 2:9

King James Version (KJV)

Not of works, lest any man should boast.

Some atheist claim to be "christians" but if one doesn't follow christ why are they christians?.

I don't follow christ because i will become a "god". I follow him because of his love.

1 John 4:19

New International Version (NIV)

19 We love because he first loved us.

X-Kayron-X Featured By Owner Apr 6, 2014  Hobbyist Artist
I don't think you even know where Mormonism stands on that. We don't think we're Gods, and we don't want to be Gods. We want to live with our Father in Heaven. Is there anything wrong with a young boy wanting to be as great as his father? Should there be anything wrong with us wanting to be like our Father? God does not think of us as less than him, even though we are. We are his children and he cares about us. He wants us be like him. Can you dare tell me that in the bible, the prophets do not ask us to strive to be like God and like Jesus? I am a Mormon, and I know what I believe more than you. I spend approximately 10.5 hours per week doing things involving my church on a regular week. Before you claim you know our beliefs like the back of your hand, make sure you know what you're talking about.
TESM Featured By Owner Mar 16, 2013  Hobbyist Writer
It's not that you haven't accepted 'Christ' but that you have added so much that the Christ your preach is not the Christ of the ancient Christians (and those who have held the teaching of the Apostles since then).
Mike-the-cat Featured By Owner Mar 16, 2013
What have we "added" to the nature of Christ Himself?

I understand and respect your beliefs, but here's something to clarify a few things:

TESM Featured By Owner Mar 16, 2013  Hobbyist Writer
I'm not a scholar on Mormonism but at the same time Mormonism has added a mythos and a worldview that is altogether not Christian in the traditional, i.e., orthodox, i.e., proper sense. These worldviews, and in turn disciplines, run contrary to the tradition of Christianity as preserved by both Scripture and the tradition of the Apostles.

You may very well know Mormonism, but it's your understanding of Christianity in this piece that's lacking. Many can say the same words but mean something very different.
Mike-the-cat Featured By Owner Mar 16, 2013
Maybe ADD to Christianity according to you. But how does it contradict? I don't understand.
TESM Featured By Owner Mar 16, 2013  Hobbyist Writer
Well, adds according to Christianity as understood by Christians.

Of course it won't contradict you if you don't think you could be wrong.
Myn-Anthony Featured By Owner Mar 15, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
I'm pretty sure that to be Christian, one must believe that Christ is God: the second member of the Holy Trinity; God made flesh. The Trinity being three persons in one God. Also, there are no other gods other than God.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but don't Mormons believe that human beings are capable of reaching a form of godhood?
Also, do you believe in the Trinity? That Jesus is God? I didn't think you did, but I'm certainly not an expert and will accept your word if you tell me I'm wrong. :)

I don't think Mormons are Christian going by what most Christians count as "Christian" (including what I mentioned above), but I've always considered Mormons our brothers. :)
Mike-the-cat Featured By Owner Mar 15, 2013
"I'm pretty sure that to be Christian, one must believe that Christ is God: the second member of the Holy Trinity; God made flesh. The Trinity being three persons in one God. Also, there are no other gods other than God. "

The LDS view of the trinity has always been complex. We believe that they are separate beings, but one in purpose. In other words, to say that they are one being is a metaphor. I'm certain that the way they have referred to God the Father, Jesus Christ, and the Holy Spirit as one was a way to preach to the heathens, pointing out the difference between the heathen religions and Christianity: Christians believe in three Divine beings who work together as one God, whereas the heathens believed in multiple Gods that constantly fought each other.

I thought that in order to be a Christian, one had to accept Jesus's teachings and the fact that He was the son of God who died for our sins. Not accepting the Nicene Creed era view of the trinity.

"Correct me if I'm wrong, but don't Mormons believe that human beings are capable of reaching a form of godhood?"

It may sound blasphemous to you, but yes, we do. We are created in the image of God, so doesn't the idea of us being heirs as well make sense? As I stated above, we don't believe that we will overthrow God, as God had intended for us to become like Him. Our relationship with God will not change, as He will still be our Father. Yes, it is stated, "There are no other Gods beside me." We believe that it simply emphasizes that we acknowledge and worship only one God.

I'd also like to point out a few verses in the Bible:
Psalms 82:6 states that "We are all gods". John 14:2 also states that "there are many mansions in my father's house". You may interpret these scriptures differently than we do, but I hope it doesn't mean I'm a heretic.

"Also, do you believe in the Trinity? That Jesus is God?"

I believe that Christ is the Jehovah of the Old Testament, and that he did many miracles and other things under the direction of the Father. Jesus even gave the message to Joseph Smith under the direction of the Father, as the Father told Joseph, "This is my beloved son, hear him," and then he let Jesus do the rest of the talking.

I don't believe that Jesus and the Father are the same being, but I believe that they are one in purpose, and that Jesus had done many things under the direction of the Father, including the creation of the earth.

If you'd like a few more misunderstandings cleared up, I have a website for you:

Myn-Anthony Featured By Owner Mar 16, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
I may have misunderstood some things, but not all. I was right about what you believe as far as inheriting godhood. What Christians believe is that we can become pure as human souls (through God's mercy); children of God, but we can never become like Him; nowhere near any sort of godhood.

"I thought that in order to be a Christian, one had to accept Jesus's teachings and the fact that He was the son of God who died for our sins. Not accepting the Nicene Creed era view of the trinity."
Most Christians would disagree. We believe you have to accept that Jesus is God. So, that's why many don't consider Mormons Christian, because you don't accept everything in Christian doctrine. I'm not trying to sound exclusive or anything, I'm just explaining why Mormons often aren't considered Christian. :) If you consider yourselves Christian and follow Christs teachings, then that's great. ^_^ I just don't see Mormonism as being strictly Christian. I do see you as brothers of the church though, and highly respect your beliefs. ^_^ My views are not necessarily the same as all other Christians, of course. I'm pretty sure most would agree, though.

As for using the word "heretic"... I don't know. I suppose, technically... I would consider a few of your church's teachings heresy. >.> But I don't feel comfortable calling individuals heretics. Like I said, I highly respect Mormons and consider you brothers of the church. :) I hope I haven't offended you at all. :blushes: I'm trying to be honest and informative, but I don't want to sound like I'm speaking against you at all.

Thanks for the link, I'll look into it whenever I have any questions. ^_^
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